I think it's funny how people (especially conservatives) don't see the nuance / difference between liberalism, socialism and stalinism - to the majority of them all liberals must automatically support mass murder, christianity, manipulation and white-washing of history.
I'm not saying that there aren't any good conservatives, it's just that the majority of them see liberal minded people that way (simply because they don't understand the thought process behind it - they got a different perception of reality and reason).
First of all, I hate Stalin. Secondly, it's funny you bring up a war in the middle east.
Now, contrary to what you may think, I only support Gorbachev and Lenin's Soviet Union. Gorbachev wanted the country to be more open and free, and Lenin wanted equality. Stalin destroyed what Lenin tried to create.
Im a proud Soviet American but when most people see the sickle and hammer they think AK47, Communism, Vodka, Stalin and the cold war. I only bring up the Soviet-Afghan War because it was the Soviet Union's Vietnam War. Lenin and Gorbachev were trying to build the real Soviet Union but in the end Lenin died (possibly murdered by Stalin) and the USSR collapsed before Gorbachev could do anything. For most of the Soviet Union's existence it was tyrannical a sad but true story.
Sadly. Sorry for the opening hostilities; I assumed you were another republican dumb ass here to tell me how my morals are wrong and how much of an asshole I am for being socialist.
Anyways, yes, that is why I believe what I believe. If they had accomplished their goals, the 20th century would have been a much better place. Hell, if Gorbachev was still in charge, we wouldn't have anymore nukes pointed at each other. To me, the Soviet Union's death was the end of any chance at a world free of nuclear weapons.
The Soviet Union's collapse was sadly embarrassing. They couldn't feed their people and it was going down worse then the Titanic and the Hindenburg put together. The Mafia made Castro cocky and greedy, China became everyone's business partner and North Korea viewed as a powder keg country. I feel though the United States and the Soviet Union could have been best friends but the North Koreans ruined everything. If North Korea never invaded South Korea the Cold War would have never happened or at least Vietnam and the Korean war would have never happened. I forget that the Cold War began in Berlin when OSS & KGB agents were scrambling to get their hands on Nazi scientists. If you ask me Germany and North Korea are to blame for the fall of the Soviet Union
It is inevitable for a society to collapse but I do believe that the United States will not fall in my lifetime or my grandchildren's lifetime. America may have a stupid government but the people are still strong. When I say I love this country Im saying that I love the freedoms, the people, the culture, the history, the land and those who gave their lives for its preservation. As long as people say "Im proud to be an American" the United States will live on just as the Soviet Union does in memory
Well, at least you're not a hard line anti-socialist. I'm glad for that. And yes, my views have shifted a little more right recently, but I'm still a democratic socialist. The only form of socialism that has a chance in hell at working.
Considering that the Soviet Union and Maoist China was responsible for approximately 100 million deaths between them, and were two of the most brutal regimes of the twentieth century, I cannot possibly take you seriously.
Shame on you.
Second, that communist Twilight Sparkle icon of yours makes me cringe- LOLwhat?
Oh, the irony. You claim to oppose tyranny, yet display a symbol that has been used by tyrannical communist countries. And please do not retort with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy that those were not true communist countries, because unless you can point to a communist country that isn't a dictactorship, my point stands.
Yeah yeah yeah. Good thing I'm not a communist. I'm a democratic socialist. And to be honest, I probably want more democracy than anyone you know.
Now, on the note of atrocities, yes communists did some bad things, but the US can not stand as the moral high ground. They've used agent orange, depleted uranium, white phosphorous, and probably many other chemical/ radiological weapons that we don't know about. Because of this, the areas they were used in will likley have more birth defects for decades, if not centuries. They also flat out lied to the world when they said Syria used chemical weapons, for the UN found that it was in fact the rebels who used it.
You're forgetting the fact that the US also supposed sketchy governments throughout the Cold War, merely because they opposed communism. Though, to be fair, during the Vietnam War, I doubt the military realized how fucked up Agent Orange was.
True, but the fact that they used these weapons without knowing their full potential is sick. Everything is rushed and then the side effects are listed. Though there is no excuse for NATO to still use DU rounds and explosives ttoday.
Listen, I don't believe in communism or socialism 100%. I believe in a system where we are more equal, but not perfectly. This is only to protect democracy from capitalist companies gaining too much of a political influence. To put it simply, yes, I am a socialist, but I want more freedom and democracy than any country has ever dreamed of, but we can only have this when each vote and voice is treated equally.
I'm afraid the banner I used to love has turned into a shroud of lies, greed, and deception. America is not my country anymore, not until it, and the rest of the world, are truly free and equal. Something that cannot exist without the other. And to be honest, I fear that the political and corporate bias that leads the masses has already instilled in all the lie that they are free and the rest of the world's people are slaves. America isn't a island of refuge, it's becoming a massive capitalist dictatorship. America isn't the best, nor is Russia. All people of earth are nothing, compared to what they could be.
the flag alwase will stand for freedom, and if you want to see a diference the order and other groops nation wide are working on restoring DC from a hourd of tyrants to a city trully fit to fly the red white and blue, But socalisum is not the answer, sticking to what you belive, is. a way to kill democacy is to lose faith, and if that is the tyrants goal, by suluteing the rad flag of opression, they are sucseeding.
I'm not a true communist, I have my own variant. The way I see it, socialism is the only way to achieve true freedom, but those in high places abuse it. I believe that the statement "Money controls the world" is law. Yet, we the people, those who get affected most by the government, really have no say. Democracy is dead in this nation. All elections are rigged in such a way that the rich always win, this is why there is never any change. The powerful corporations and their leaders are holding all the strings over their puppets in the white house. Until we the people have the power returned to us, those with money will continue to twist the strings to their betterment. Your vote doesn't matter, your wallet does.
The only difference between communism and socialism is one is a bit more honest about its intentions. And democracy that doesn't respect individual rights (ie, the right to one's property) is nothing more two wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for dinner.
Well to be honest I'm not entirely socialist, in other words I'm not a hard liner. I have my own offshoot that is different from the rest. Have you ever heard the statement "money runs the world"? This is true thought it could be more accurately phrased as those with money control the world. What I'm saying is that huge corporations and billionaires control the world. They do this by funding those that they wish to get into office, those who will keep things the same, but if you oppose them, you are overshadowed by the favored canadates so much that no one even knows you're running. This is why no change has come to this nation in a great while. Everything is just bent in such a way that the big businesses always win. In my system, I think the control shouldn't be in their hands or a monster government. I think that the people should have the right to vote on every law and every bill that will affect them. Now I know it's not perfect, but this is only a rough draft. In short, I want a way where the people are in control of the government not vise versa. All I want is a truly democratic and free society with no puppet strings attached, yet the only way to do this is if those who hold the strings lose their grip. So no I don't want tyranny, I want the most democratic possible. Also on a side note, fuck Stalin.
"Well to be honest I'm not entirely socialist, in other words I'm not a hard liner. I have my own offshoot that is different from the rest. Have you ever heard the statement "money runs the world"? This is true thought it could be more accurately phrased as those with money control the world."
And the government (ie, politicians) hold a legal monopoly over the use of force. Politicians have the ability to write laws, rule them constitutional (via control of the courts), and enforce them (via control of the police and military). The wealthy and corporations may have influence over them from time and time, but they control the government about as much as a shop owner controls the mafia he's paying protection money to.
And the solution is a complete wall of separation between business and government, which is what capitalism advocates. Communism and socialism advocate the exact opposite, which is why we're in the mess we're in.
"I think that the people should have the right to vote on every law and every bill that will affect them. Now I know it's not perfect, but this is only a rough draft. In short, I want a way where the people are in control of the government not vise versa. All I want is a truly democratic and free society with no puppet strings attached, yet the only way to do this is if those who hold the strings lose their grip. So no I don't want tyranny, I want the most democratic possible. "
Capitalism is what you're wanting then. Capitalism advocates the complete respect of a person's right to live their life as they please, so long as they don't initiate force against others. Under capitalism, the government is strictly limited to protecting people from force and fraud and can only get involved when a crime has actually been committed and then only against the guilty party.